magic9mushroom: The sort of team that wants to use Meganium doesn't care. Meganium isn't for stall teams, it's for hyper-offensive teams that need a broad-spectrum wall to avoid instantly losing if their scenario gets derailed.
Oct 19, 2014 22:24:44 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: Meganium's possibly even better than Suicune at fulfilling that role, because it's got even broader defensive coverage and sets screens. Doesn't matter that Synthesis has crap PP since you ideally only bring Meganium in once or maybe twice.
Oct 19, 2014 22:26:00 GMT 1
jorgen: Eh I dunno if I believe that. I tried to think that way about Suicune and Starmie too, but offenses generally want everyone to contribute to the cause, passive mons tend to be dead weight.
Oct 19, 2014 23:36:14 GMT 1
jorgen: that said, screens mean meganium can contribute in some sense, although the thing about screens is that it's really hard to pivot to something scary in time to make full use of them.
Oct 19, 2014 23:37:31 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: Well, the main issue with setting screens is that CurseLax tends to come in, and direct counters to CurseLax (ie, you switch in and threaten to KO it) simply don't exist (AA Vap sorta-maybe-ish?). Meganium has Leech Seed to mitigate that somewhat.
Oct 19, 2014 23:57:33 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: But you'll note that I said *hyper*-offensive. I'm not talking about your typical "offense" team of cloy/zap/lix/gar/egg/lax or something, but something much faster like a Baton Pass team.
Oct 20, 2014 0:07:05 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: A successful BP uses 2-3 Pokemon to kill 4-6. So you may have room for a Suicune/Meganium/whatever since your win condition executes based on situation more than on material.
Oct 20, 2014 0:09:14 GMT 1
jorgen: I'm not too hot on team stratification. If you're using a team that wants to play at pace X, you want all members of the team to be able to maintain that pace.
Oct 20, 2014 4:48:50 GMT 1
jorgen: So I'm basically proposing the miscibility heuristic in teambuilding: like dissolves like. Sweepers and BPers are water-soluble, stall mons want an organic solvent.
Oct 20, 2014 5:07:28 GMT 1
jorgen: Of course, such an analogy allows for the troublesome possibility of surfactants...
Oct 20, 2014 5:07:30 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: And phase-transfer catalysts. Quaternary ammonium chlorides are so cool.
Oct 20, 2014 12:22:59 GMT 1
jawgn: Fleshing out an idea for a BP team. It's basically flowchart gaming to the max.
Nov 10, 2014 6:53:50 GMT 1
jawgn: Maybe you'll see it for RoA BOTW if I can get off my duff and schedule that :x
Nov 10, 2014 6:53:57 GMT 1
jawgn: actually scratch that i can't do that BOTW anyway.
Nov 10, 2014 6:57:46 GMT 1
Isa: Smeargle abuse planned?
Nov 10, 2014 18:00:43 GMT 1
jawgn: Yeah. Smeargle definitely isn't auto-win, but the post-Smeargle plan is actually pretty decent
Nov 11, 2014 2:48:48 GMT 1
jawgn: Like, your opponent has to have balls of steel to thwart your follow-up setup ideas.
Nov 11, 2014 2:52:58 GMT 1
jawgn: Biggest issue is actually finding a way to deal with all the Lax variants out there. Particularly LK Lax, he forces Miracleberry on things that'd like to have Lefties to be able to tank an extra Surf
Nov 11, 2014 2:54:27 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: Well IIRC the main things to cover are 1) phazers 2) ST CurseLax 3) Explosion spam. Also what's a BOTW?
Nov 17, 2014 5:48:42 GMT 1
piexplode: BOTW = Battle Of The Week
Nov 17, 2014 17:19:28 GMT 1
Standard rules as usual, Wrap moves are allowed. Format will be round robin unless I somehow manage to get 8+ participants.
The tournament will take part this Sunday (17th) at 7:00 PM GMT, unless there is an agreement to change the time. The tournament will be played in Mount Silver's official PO server. Adv connect: Mount Silver - 220.127.116.11:5080. You can come to the server before the tournamnet for practice matches. Info on how to get started with RBY 251 can be found here as well as in the announcement of the server.
Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, and Celebi are banned.
Warning: Old battle window must be selected or otherwise you will see incorrect sprites. (It's selected by default)
Don't forget to save logs!
1. Crystal_ 2. Isa 3. Jame$ G 4. Xinc 5. Redemption