jorgen: yes Apr 30, 2014 12:44:01 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: I don't think banning Missy entirely is all that healthy. May 21, 2014 5:14:58 GMT 1 *
magic9mushroom: Would a Markov chain for Steelix vs. Zapdos be worthwhile? Jun 1, 2014 11:05:08 GMT 1
anonymous: I guess it'd be nice to find out when it's safe to start Cursing vs. a Zapdos, but I don't see how that would be tractable, HP Ice is just barely a guaranteed 6HKO. Jun 2, 2014 5:23:02 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: Is Sub Steelix any good? Jun 9, 2014 5:01:23 GMT 1
Isa: What would Substitute do that would warrant losing Explosion/Toxic/Rock Slide? Jun 9, 2014 10:29:08 GMT 1
anonymous: beat miltank and umbreon. granted, toxic can also do that, so idk. Jun 9, 2014 14:30:21 GMT 1
anonymous: sub makes it a lot simpler tho Jun 9, 2014 14:31:12 GMT 1
Isa: Sub means you have absolutely zilch play versus anything Flying, or really anything that aims to beat you rather than just draining Curse PP. Jun 9, 2014 17:58:04 GMT 1
anonymous: iron tail Jun 9, 2014 22:59:32 GMT 1
Isa: then we're looking at a horribly stupid set. Jun 9, 2014 23:45:06 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: I was referring to the Kangaskhan-esque Iron Tail/Curse/Roar/Substitute set, yes. Jun 11, 2014 2:59:25 GMT 1
anonymous: It's not THAT bad. It's useless v. Waters but that's only one step down from its norm of "mostly useless". No SE move for Raikou is annoying but he often runs HP Ice or Reflect and can't touch you anyway. Jun 11, 2014 4:24:46 GMT 1
anonymous: Not to mention you can still bring him in early-game to check Raikous, just Roar every time, and he'll never suspect a thing. Jun 11, 2014 4:26:29 GMT 1
Isa: Why run Substitute in the first place? Kangaskhan runs it to block status, but you're already immune to Thunder Wave as well as Toxic, and you wouldn't enjoy a fight with Exeggutor either, would you? edit: OK I forgot about Growl/Charm, but meh. Jun 11, 2014 10:40:49 GMT 1 *
ok u prolly know who i am: Ya sub on a Curser is 100% for Growl/Charm, ducking status is just a bonus. Also Iron Tail Steelix with Sub actually beats standard Egg. He can't Giga or Sleep Powder, and Psychic won't break the sub. Jun 11, 2014 14:08:53 GMT 1
magic9mushroom: How would you fight Raikou with Iron Tail Steelix? Roar whenever it's active, Sub when it comes back in and you don't have one, and Curse when it comes back in and you do have one, and whacking it with Iron Tail when it comes in and you're at +6? Jun 13, 2014 12:34:36 GMT 1
somebody: yup pretty much. I was just thinking of it as a temporary "get Raikou out of your face" kind of check, though. What you're proposing is once they've caught on and (presumably) you've already killed the waters, in which case, you're golden. Jun 13, 2014 16:44:33 GMT 1
.l.: isa smells Jun 15, 2014 20:19:37 GMT 1
isa smells : ^ Jun 15, 2014 20:43:40 GMT 1
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